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PostThe pseudoscience of player ratings

The scene is 2007, we're playing our first couple seasons in simming, when the cover athlete is announced (this was before he was chosen by fan vote). Eric Staal was announced as the cover man, so I immediately traded Brad Richards (a 91 at the time!) for Staal, and I immediately went out and got Rod Brindamour as well (who was an 84 if I recall)

I told everyone that would listen that both of their ratings would sky rocket. Most guys were like "no way,..that doesn't make sense" They were right, it didn't make sense, but this is EA we're talking about.

NhL 08 dropped and Staal was like 90+ and Brindamour was a 90, kid you not. A freaking 90. I was hoping for like 86. Meanwhile J. Franzen was a 75 and he stayed that way despite scoring 27 goals the year before.

Over the years I've seen EA make some truly mind boggling moves with it's player ratings. I for one am really glad they've got this new "real life stats" thingy cause almost every year you'd start a dynasty and and see that Florida has signed some KHL headcase who's still sitting in the FA pool at 84 (like Ian White this year)

Here's my attempt to give you all who are interested a quick snippet on my thoughts on how and why ratings are what they are in new games.

1. EA tends to favor teams that are successful. Ergo, the kings and Rangers players (including those who've moved on like stralman) are likely to be higher than you expect. Ditto for big name FA signings. Watch Niskanen,...I'd be shocked if he didn't go up.
2. EA also favors guys in the 30-34 range who had big seasons even if that big season was years ago. EX: Danny Heater who hasn't been an effective NHL player for years but started the year at 85.
3. EA poops allover old vets who may or may not be good anymore. EX Selanne who at 42 is still miles better than half the league but is only a 81. Ditto for Alfredsson.
4. EA also poops all over unproven rookies. Consider this, I almost promise that Franzen will be rated higher than Nyquist even thought Nyquist outscored him.  Exceptions to this rule are guys who have a lot of "hype" especially Canadian hype. If guys in Leafs nation are saying some D man is the second coming of Bobby Orr he's likely to be over rated. EA doesn't want to hear an entire country whine about that countries national obsession with their teams prospects.
5.Teams that no one watches, Florida, Carolina etc. are not going to have players rated highly no matter what they do. A. Khudobin turned in a great season he never got above 81. Vokoum has been over 84 for the last couple of games (he started one year at 87!) despite being a back up.
6. There are always WTF players. Some of those guys are retired like pronger (started at 85) some are terrible like kopecky (still an 83) some are those prospects that may or may not be any good

The basic unwritten rule of thumb is, if you think you know what a guy's rating is next game, you're probably wrong lol.

Hope this helps

-fear
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Re: The pseudoscience of player ratings
Post on Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:40 pm by Krauzer
Not saying I disagree, but I question some things. Selanne was easily the worst duck this year. Completely useless. And maybe it's because I'm Canadian and I don't like it when Americans think they get the short end of the stick but I disagree with the Canadian bias also. EA Is just awful with their ratings, plain and simple.
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Re: The pseudoscience of player ratings
Post on Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:51 pm by fearthemaskedman
Krauzer wrote:
Not saying I disagree,  but I question some things. Selanne was easily the worst duck this year. Completely useless.  And maybe it's because I'm Canadian and I don't like it when Americans think they get the short end of the stick but I disagree with the Canadian bias also. EA Is just awful with their ratings, plain and simple.

Well I wrote it in a hurry, so maybe I should explain,...not all Canadian teams get this bump,. for example your flames are like my wings,..almost always criminally under rated.

Selanne might have been useless this year,...but when the season started he didn't look that way. He was certainly better then alot of guys rated 82+.

I'm not saying american teams get slighted, in fact some american teams get a crazy bump, the penguins being chief among them. Remember when Jay Mckee was an 85?

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Re: The pseudoscience of player ratings
Post on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:02 pm by Krauzer
I just think they are super random. Sometimes they give guys crazy ratings on ANY team. Remember when regehr was an 88? EA just picks numbers out of a hat in my opinion
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Re: The pseudoscience of player ratings
Post on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:10 pm by fearthemaskedman
my favorite of all time was the year Forsberg was the best player in the game at 96. I think it was nhl 10.
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Re: The pseudoscience of player ratings
Post on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:15 pm by Krauzer
Couldn't have been. He played two games with Colorado that year. I think it was between nhl 03 and nhl 07
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Re: The pseudoscience of player ratings
Post on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:17 pm by fearthemaskedman
Krauzer wrote:
Couldn't have been. He played two games with Colorado that year.  I think it was between nhl 03 and nhl 07
NHL 09
http://goingfivehole.blogspot.com/2008/09/nhl-09-overall-ratings-make-you-say-huh.html
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Re: The pseudoscience of player ratings
Post on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:24 pm by Krauzer
How the? He wasn't even in the nhl
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Re: The pseudoscience of player ratings
Post on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:33 am by BioHaZard
Some older guys being higher rated i understand though when a guy has 8-10 season of 70+pts and is rated inthe high 80's then has 1-2 seasons where hes injured or just slowing down getting 30-40pts and still being 84-85 rated he deserves that rating still IMO over guys that have 1good season get rated 85 then have 2 bad seasons and are low 80's they have to have some sort of method i just wish they would tell everyone
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Re: The pseudoscience of player ratings
Post on Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:48 am by tommyboy
BioHaZard wrote:
Some older guys being higher rated i understand though when a guy has 8-10 season of 70+pts and is rated inthe high 80's then has 1-2 seasons where hes injured or just slowing down getting 30-40pts and still being 84-85 rated he deserves that rating still IMO over guys that have 1good season get rated 85 then have 2 bad seasons and are low 80's they have to have some sort of method i just wish they would tell everyone

I agree with this, although recently they have been changing it to match todays performance. Look at iginla now, hes 86 and for good reason, plenty of years under his belt performing well. They respect the great players in games past and Im ok with that for the most part. We end up getting a good feel for how players will be rated in the next years game but then again we are always shocked at some of them. I look forward to next yrs game and I love the up to date performance evaluation as it helps us in our league get a guy thats good now have a rating that reflects it (for the most part)
 

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